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sirgordon

09.05.2007,
8:29 am

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hi first,
pass an exam,
hunting license drawn,
Inspection certificate regulated,
conditions created
and then the world ask:
which weapon do i actually need,
good, cheap, with sufficient optics but not over-dimensioned.

search at dealers & bm`s = only the best-counted price secondary

egun = mortz offer, a lot of scrap, no guarantee, zero advice and nationwide trip to weapons inspection & test


help who knows advice what is useful and what is not!

who has had which experiences and also passes them on from a realistic point of view.

cat food

09.05.2007,
09:07 am

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

What do you learn in the hunting courses?
Anyone who asks that after training (!) For a hunting license does not, as far as I know, need anything ........

furmag

09.05.2007,
09:13 am

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello Sirgordon,

So I can advise you the following (I'd rather not get involved in caliber discussions - that would lead to an endless debate here):

Look how much money you have available and then third that

1/3 for the gun
1/3 for the optics and
1/3 for assembly

regardless of which caliber it is in the end, because you should simply adapt it to the game that you have in the area.


Furrymag

Mike

09.05.2007,
9:21 am

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello Gordon,

»
»
» help who knows advice what is useful and what is not!

Have a look here:

www.pirsch.de

or

www.vdb-waffen.de

under the used weapons.

»
»Who has had which experiences and also gives them under realistic conditions
»Point of view further.

Important: if possible, use the best universal caliber 8x57IS.
If necessary: ​​7x64, 308 or 30.06

The most important thing is the optics anyway.
One of the big 5 would be good here.
Zeiss, Svaro, Schmitdt & Bender, Kahles or Docter.

If you are not sitting at night, a 6x42 glass is sufficient to start with.


Good Hunting

Mike

Boar

09.05.2007,
09:27 am

@ Cat food

what weapon does a young hunter need

“What do you learn in the hunting courses?
“Anyone who asks about their training (!) For a hunting license needs mine
»Don't know anything at first ........

Yes, a good and sharp knife!

(at least that was the first thing I bought)

And I've already been on a hunt because the hunt manager wanted to see exactly that and not the hunting license!

@sirgordon, first of all congratulations on passing the exam!

hunter_01

09.05.2007,
10:11 am

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello,
I would do a repeater in the cal. 7.x (7x64; 7x57; .308 win (my personal cal.) ...) recommend. with it you can kill everything wildly in the brd and the ammunition selection is large. you can with the rep. go on driven hunts and sit up. Don't let anything tell you or fall into the delusion as much as possible. to have to lead ... at the beginning I also thought and then I went back to the good 7.x cal. returned. stay away from "young hunter weapons" ... they are mostly junk and are therefore sold to young hunters. as glass I can z. b. recommend meopta or if you have money, then a zeiss (they are really brilliant). for the seat a 7 or 8 times 56 (possibly 2.5 - 10 ... 3 - 12 ... but you don't necessarily need it). for driven hunts I can recommend a red dot with zero magnification. especially if you hunt a lot of sows or fleeting wild animals when you press. there is nothing better. even if I still swear an open sight today ... with the red dot you are simply faster on the target and where the point is there you shoot. if you are more on presses on which more roe deer are hunted or at longer shooting distances, then you should buy a rifle scope with a 1 - 4 magnification and a red dot instead of a pure red dot. on the one hand, you can shoot at greater distances and address roe deer better. oh yes ... with driven hunt vies or riflescopes, in my experience, it is not really important to have a zeiss or swaro ... and the same ... you don't hunt in the twilight ... the cheaper ones do it too. .. at least that's how I made the experience. Otherwise you need a shotgun (no matter what) ... you just have to fit it. then you are well equipped. I don't think combined weapons are so important for a young hunter. unless you are already in a small game area where all your hunting colleagues hunt with a bbf or a drilling. But, as I said, you can kill all of this with a repeater.
waihei
hunter_01

Forest jogger



Bamberg,
09.05.2007,
10:12 a.m.

@ Boar

what weapon does a young hunter need

I think the suggestion to buy a riflescope 6 x 42 for a young hunter, if you will, really daring. I have been hunting for over 20 years and since then have only been using ZF variable 3-15 x 56 and binoculars with the same bearings. As a deer / sow hunter, I also suggest the 30.06 caliber, which I have been using in all weapons for years and which I am absolutely satisfied with. I shoot the relatively inexpensive Geco bullet, 11.3 g, with no extensive damage to the game, nor the often known bruises. In addition, the fired pieces are usually at the point where they were hit or within a radius of 20 m (usually). The experience is based on around 150 deer and around 80 wild boars. A good knife, here is not necessarily the brand, but the steel, should of course also be available. I wish the young hunter good luck, a safe shot and good luck

emma

09.05.2007,
10:14 am

@ Mike

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello Gordon! I can only agree with Mike. 8x57 is a good caliber, I have a buck rifle, then I also have some shot with me. 8X56 as a rifle scope, Swarowski is very good. My opinion: it is better to borrow a gun from a colleague at the beginning - most of them have more in the gun cabinet than they need and save on a good quality than take something cheap and not optimal and then get annoyed later. What is safe is always a manual cocking device like the Blaser. No fuse can break there. and I don't think much of engravers anyway. A direct trigger that I can adjust to my needs and with which I get used to the trigger weight.

As usual - technical layman Emma in anticipation of a shit from the more knowledgeable ...

sirgordon

09.05.2007,
10:34 am

@ Cat food

what weapon does a young hunter need

“What do you learn in the hunting courses?
“Anyone who asks about the training (!) For a hunting license needs mine
»Don't know anything at first ........

but cat food who can read has a clear advantage
Examination over and then the question was!

sirgordon

09.05.2007,
10:38 am

@ Boar

what weapon does a young hunter need

»» What do you learn in the hunting courses?
»» Anyone who asks after their training (!) For a hunting license needs mine
»» At first you don't know anything ........
»
“Yes, a good and sharp knife!
»
»(At least that was the first thing I bought)
»
“And I've already been on a hunt, and that's exactly what the hunt manager wanted to see and
»Not the hunting license!
»
»@Sirgordon, first of all congratulations on passing the exam!

thank you keiler, it wasn't easy either, at least here in bawü.
and I've already owned knives as a non-hunter (that's a faible of mine),
as well as a dog under made me hunt

hunter_01

09.05.2007,
10:46 a.m.

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

... I remember ... www.frankonia.de .. they have a very good used weapons market on the internet, there you can see the range and have the weapon (s) of your choice sent to your branch for viewing . bought all of my guns there. the advice was good. The prices are too, I think, and you also have the guarantee and a good gunsmith ... greetings jäger_01

Boar

09.05.2007,
11:48 a.m.

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

»» »What do you learn in the hunting courses?
»» »Anyone who asks about the training (!) For a hunting license needs mine
»» »At first you don't know anything ........
» »
»» Yes, a good and sharp knife!
» »
»» (At least that was the first thing I bought)
» »
»» And I've already been on a hunt, so the hunt manager wanted to see exactly that
" and
»» Not the hunting license!
» »
»» @Sirgordon, first of all congratulations on passing the exam!
»
“Thank you keiler, it wasn't easy either, at least here in bawü.
“And I have already owned knives as a non-hunter (is a faible of
" me),
»As well as a dog and made me hunt

Hey Gordon!

The weapon and caliber depend on what and where you want to hunt with it.
Your wallet also plays a not insignificant role!
The most important thing in the pursuit of the hunt is still "MEET"

Otherwise you will now get everything suggested from the 6.5x55 to the .375 Holland & Holland and in the end you will be just as smart as before!
You can also get good used weapons cheaply. (possibly also a whole package from inheritance)

Greetings and WmH
from the boar

PS. it is definitely a nice feeling to be "there" now! Anyway, I felt so long ago, I can still remember it well!

mountain bob

09.05.2007,
12:02 p.m.

@ Boar

what weapon does a young hunter need

In any case, the topic is always productive, everyone has an opinion and can contribute something ...

Boar

09.05.2007,
12:48 p.m.

@ bergbob

what weapon does a young hunter need

“In any case, the topic is always productive, everyone has an opinion and
»Can contribute ...

.... it just doesn't really help him!

according to the motto: I would like to buy a new car, what do you drive?

Frank Schaffer

09.05.2007,
1:48 pm

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

» Hi first,
" pass an exam,...

Good Hunting!



»Which weapon do i actually need,
»Good, inexpensive, with sufficient optics but not overdimensioned.
»

Don't skimp on optics. Even an old second-hand machine is still a thousand times better than the new cheap muck.


»Search at dealer & bm`s = only the best-counted price secondary

Depends on the dealers. But a few links have already been mentioned above.
Also good and close to me: www.gunport.de



Now in general: In which area which game is hunted with?

Normal is any bolt action rifle with good optics and a standard caliber such as 7 * 57, 7 * 64, 308, .30-06, 8.57is ... the best.
Because you can practice ghostly with it and the caliber will get everything down safely if you hit. Regardless of whether it is a fox or a 130kg boar.
A combined vehicle is rather suboptimal on the stand, or expensive as a new thermostable. This is more of a second weapon if you can also take advantage of the versatility. Otherwise a suitable shotgun (if possible pay attention to steel shot suitability) and you have peace. The special weapons come together quickly anyway. I now have a total of 6 pieces in the closet, which have accumulated in a year. By the way, I spent the first few months with a borrowed Blaser BBF and a borrowed bolt-action rifle, until a special offer happened at Frankonia and a brand new Acera came into the house. If you wait a bit, you can always get hold of a good bargain.

Red Milan

09.05.2007,
3:40 pm

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

My mustard:

R93 with cal. 9.3x62 ammunition RWS DK. That’s almost everything, provided you hit it.

Greetings RM

Franz

09.05.2007,
4:24 pm

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

First of all, congratulations from me.

I would like to answer your question about the right entry-level weapon as I did with my JJ for many years:

First you should determine exactly what you mainly want to hunt, predatory game, predatory game, roe deer, wild boar, red deer, ... wild game, ... where are the main focuses? After that, don't let any eventualities mislead you, such as B ... and what do you do when the strong boar comes? This leads to the fact that the JJ usually wields a weapon with a strong overpowered condition throughout the year, which he actually only needs once a year at most.

For the vast majority of occasions, a light combined weapon is the best you can have, especially when the area is populated with a variety of animal species from crows to sows. The firepower of a repeater is not necessary with the exception of driven hunts and the 8x57 or 30-06 are not necessary for any German deer. My advice, if you should be grazing in the small game area, buy a BBF with a ball of around 3000 J Eo. Where this is no longer sufficient, a special weapon is necessary anyway, because there is no real universal weapon for everything.

Where you shouldn't save is at the target optics, the variable 56 mm glasses have proven themselves. If you shop cheaply here, you will sooner or later buy one more time and then definitely a luxury brand. Used ZF up to about 5 years do not differ from new ones.

Naith

09.05.2007,
5:23 pm

@ Franz

what weapon does a young hunter need

... also add mustard.
Shooting does everything, so a cheaper weapon will do it (after the third visit to the shooting range at the latest, you will know where the thing is going ). But you have to see, that means that the optics is the most important thing.
Nothing worse than knowing that the boar is standing there or what I know what and I can no longer see it.
To the weapon; I would not recommend a bolt-action rifle at the beginning, but a combined rifle (over-and-under rifle) because Fux always comes and at a shot distance it is more interesting to hunt.
yes edit; I mean an over and under rifle, of course, my goodness.

sirgordon

09.05.2007,
5:33 pm

@ Naith

what weapon does a young hunter need

»... also add mustard.
“Shooting does everything, so a cheaper weapon will do it (at the latest after
»After the third visit to the shooting range you will know where the thing is going ).
»But you have to see, that means that the optics is that of everyone, everyone
»Most important.
“Nothing worse than knowing that the boar is standing there or what I know
»What and I no longer see him.
“To the weapon; I wouldn't recommend a repeater at the beginning, but one
“Combined (over-and-under rifle) because, Fux always comes and at a shot distance
“It's more interesting to hunt.
»Yes edit; I mean an over and under rifle, of course, my goodness.

first of all thanks for the many tips,
but it is as usual, everyone has their own weaknesses.
But it's fine anyway.

but i already see a bbf is probably not bad, for the first time i get a rep. and a drilling from a friend. and as already mentioned several times, I think I will get over the rounds first.
but thank you very much
and hunted well

woodman

09.05.2007,
6:45 p.m.

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

» Hi first,
" pass an exam,
»Hunting license drawn,
»Inspection certificate regulated,
»Conditions created

...

yes, first of all: Congratulations !!

My tip: take a few weeks to get it. First, make sure you can borrow something and try it out. For practical hunting and for the shooting range. Then you will already notice what (literally) suits you.
Because you probably don't get the best grip on your first weapon (you would be an exception), a good used one at the beginning. At the above addresses you can get a rifle with the best optics (which is no longer manufactured in such high quality) from the top league at a reasonable price.

Greeting w.

Hankem

09.05.2007,
7:08 pm

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

» Hi first,
" pass an exam,
»Hunting license drawn,
»Inspection certificate regulated,
»Conditions created
»And then the world ask:
»Which weapon do i actually need,
»Good, inexpensive, with sufficient optics but not overdimensioned.
»
»Search at dealer & bm`s = only the best-counted price secondary
»
»Egun = mortz offer, a lot of scrap, no guarantee, zero advice
»And nationwide trip to the weapons inspection & test
»
»
»Congratulations on your hunting license!
First advice: Orientate yourself with the owners of the area where hunting is possible
is offered.
Second: To get a meaningful answer here, you should get more information.
available about the existing hunting environment.

Small game?
Roe deer?
Wild boar?
Predatory game?

Is the area known or is everything still open?

Basically: good shotgun,
Over and under rifle shotgun (triple)
Büchse can follow later.
Good used ones are in large numbers on the market.

The caliber depends on the opportunities or ideas of the owner of the area.
Much
Good Hunting .

Frank Schaffer

09.05.2007,
11:15 p.m.

@ Hankem

what weapon does a young hunter need

A question for those who seriously propose a combined weapon up to a three-of-a-kind.
How should one practice with it sensibly?
And what do you do when you haven't gotten off too well?
The repeater is superior both on the stand and when a second shot is needed. And fox also falls with a big ball.

I'm also looking for a nice BBF for the raised hide in the field, even if crows come ... but I would never choose it as a first weapon and would not recommend it to anyone. If a few hundred shots went out on the stand and a few seats where you could use the potential of a combined, THEN ok, but not as a first weapon.
And as long as you take a shotgun and rifle with you for the few cases where it is really needed.

Franz

10.05.2007,
8:07 am

@ Frank Schaffer

what weapon does a young hunter need

“How can you practice it sensibly?

Have you ever heard of the fact that several manufacturers have been offering BBF with an exposed barrel for several years? I can confidently say that you can shoot the barrel hot and the TPL does not change.

Frank Schaffer

10.05.2007,
1:08 pm

@ Franz

what weapon does a young hunter need

»» How are you supposed to practice it sensibly?
»
“Have you heard anything about it for a number of years?
»Are manufacturers offering BBFs that have an exposed barrel? For this

Yes, only the OP asked for a good and cheap Weapon. The parts cannot really be called cheap. Nothing works below 4k for the complete weapon-assembly-scope package, it tends to be more if you also want LP or a bit of nice wood. The used market is very thin, so you have to buy new. And that hits you. In return he gets a bolt action rifle with top glass, a good shotgun and a few hundred more shots to practice and still has money to buy good binoculars. In this respect, it is only effective if he only asked for good.


»I can confidently say, you can shoot the barrel hot and the TPL
" does not change.


At least in advertising. There are also critical voices.

Norwegian

10.05.2007,
1:32 p.m.

@ Franz

what weapon does a young hunter need

“You can shoot the barrel hot and the TPL
" does not change.

There are different views on the term hot in this context. the m03 owners have to find out again and again ...

Naith

10.05.2007,
14:00 clock

@ Frank Schaffer

what weapon does a young hunter need

“Yes, only the operating room asked for a good and cheap Weapon. As
»You can't really call the parts cheap. Under 4k for
»The complete package weapon-assembly-ZF doesn't work there, it will be more if
»You then want LP or a bit of nice wood. The used market
»Is very thin, so you have to buy new. And that hits you. For it gets
“He's a bolt-action rifle with a top glass, a good shotgun, and a few hundred more
“Shoot to practice and still have money to buy good binoculars
" to buy. In this respect, it is only effective if he only asks about good
" would have.

Frank, apples and apples, please.
If you want a good bolt action rifle and a good shotgun, you won't get cheaper than a good BBF.
Of course, the fux with the big ball falls over, but this is not the point.
You don't have to buy a new one, unless you want to `` immediately and immediately ''.
Anyway, I only allow the argument about reloading at night and with a freaky hunter. (I haven't had to shoot again on the raised hide and at the DJ)
That is why BBF is not a bad solution.
I cover pretty much the whole range of different weapons, so I don't care, it's just my opinion.
I am in the area at least 4 times a week, unless I go crazy, there is either the triplet or the BBF, but never the repeater.

Frank Schaffer

10.05.2007,
2:20 pm

@ Naith

what weapon does a young hunter need

»
“Frank, apples and apples, please.
“If you want a good bolt action rifle and a good shotgun, come on
»Not cheaper than with a good BBF.

But. Absolutely.
And that for TWO weapons, not just one.


“Of course the fux with the big ball falls over, but this is the point
" not at all.

Of course that's what it's about. It's about whether, as a beginner who is allowed to go somewhere, you really have to drag one (or even two) shotguns with you. No, you don't HAVE to. You normally know beforehand what you can and can hunt for and take your rifle or rifle with you. Exceptions are rare and then it's still time to look for a station wagon.


»You don't have to buy a new one, unless you want to do it immediately and
»In a moment.

Thermostable used ones are rarely available and when they do, they cost their money. Ergo not target-oriented. Apart from the imponderables regarding the truthfulness of the advertising statements.
And we don't have to talk about the guaranteed unsuitability of lottery suits for exercise, do we?


“I only leave the argument about reloading at night anyway
“To a freaky hunter. (I still have it on the raised hide and with the DJ
»Do not have to shoot again)

Last year we had a case of a Krell shot at the deer in a neighboring area with a hunting-trained (but only marginally) JJ and his BBF. It was probably too late by the time it reloaded. My repeater makes ritschratschbumm ... four times if necessary. What is the advantage in terms of the probability of a hit? At the BBF, where you may fumble in the cartridge while shaking excitedly within half an eternity, or when you simply tear through the bolt stem?

“That's why BBF isn't a bad solution.

Of course not,. But it is suboptimal for a beginner. A repeater is better suited for beginners. Once he has learned, there is always time for it.

"I cover pretty much the whole range of different weapons,
“That's why I don't care, it's just my opinion.
“I'm in the station at least four times a week, unless I go crazy, either
“The triplet or the BBF there, but never the repeater.


Yes, but are you a territory owner or a young hunter who is happy when he has a buck or a fox free?
I have nothing against combined ones, as I said, because of the experiences in "my" area I will get one for the fox and crows hunt at the latest. But I only use them for this special case. At the latest, when it goes out into the big game area, the repeater comes along and if a fox does come, he is dead too.
But all this came about only in the course of the first year of hunting, depending on the hunting ground, after invitation and after a friendly relationship of trust with the tenant. And in autumn at the latest, when the DJ season starts, the BBF can stay at home anyway. Then he needs the repeater anyway, so he can fetch it right away and use it to go to the stand until he can and also practice from time to time. In practice, nobody really does that with his combined. At best, it is shot in and control.

I repeat myself, none of this should be a plea against combined arms, but only one against combined arms as first weapons for young hunters.
Sure, it works, but there are better and cheaper ways to get started. After all, hardly a driver novice starts driving a classic Lamborghini Miura to drive the block of houses.

shotgun rust

10.05.2007,
2:21 pm

@ Naith

what weapon does a young hunter need

»
“Frank, apples and apples, please.
“If you want a good bolt action rifle and a good shotgun, come on
»Not cheaper than with a good BBF.

But that's apples, pears, pineapples.
In any case, he needs a rifle and either a reptier or a combined weapon as a rifle.

Young hunters, and not just those, should spend a lot of time on the stand. A repeater is better suited for this. Most combined weapons are offered in exotic rim calibers for which there are no inexpensive (surplus) ammunition. The few international and therefore inexpensive rim calibres are unfortunately not offered as caliber options in Germany.

Naith

10.05.2007,
2:45 p.m.

@ Frank Schaffer

what weapon does a young hunter need

And at the latest in autumn, when the DJ season starts, you can
»The BBF stay at home anyway. Then he needs the repeater anyway, so he can
“Get him right away and go to the booth with it until he can
»And also practice every now and then.

»And in autumn at the latest, when the DJ season starts, you can
»The BBF stay at home anyway. Then he needs the repeater anyway, so he can
“Get him right away and go to the booth with it until he can
»And also practice every now and then.

I do not like answers to the whole article, because I am neither an advocate nor an opponent of a BBF or a rep.
Just so much, I don't have% numbers to offer, but a lot of hunters are on DJ with combined arms, really it's wonderful.

Boar

10.05.2007,
2:53 pm

@ flintenrost

what weapon does a young hunter need

@ Flintenrost, Frank and Naith

I have a humble question for you guys.
According to your opinion, you have what someone needs and what not, so when you started hunting, you all knew exactly which weapon was the best for you and at the same time you knew for which type of hunting. And at the same time already knew what your hunting opportunities will look like in 10 or 20 years?

Not me!

I started with a simple bolt-action rifle in .222 Rem for fox and deer and a shotgun for the driven hunt.
+ a match rifle in .22 Hornet for hunting. Competition shooting.
After that, with the hunting possibilities and the experience gained, one or the other weapon was added.
A total of 3 in 30 years. (and I know hunters who change their weapon and caliber every 2 years)
A bolt-action rifle and a triplet and as a little candy a double rifle that wasn't really necessary, but I still use them (all 3) until the end of my days.

Have I done something wrong now?

Greetings from the boar

PS. After passing the hunter's exam like cat food, shouldn't he at least halfway know what he needs now, since he alone knows and can estimate his hunting possibilities? (+ the mice in his wallet)
He also rightly asks what are our experiences and what we have made - not what he should do.

marmot

10.05.2007,
3:59 pm

@ Boar

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello everyone!
»
“I just got a simple bolt action in .222 Rem
»Starting with fox and deer and a shotgun for the driven hunt.
Isn't the worst solution for beginners in my opinion.

»
“PS. after passing the hunter test, like cat food, it shouldn't be completely on
“Beginning writes at least halfway knowing what he needs now, there too
»Only he knows and can estimate his hunting possibilities? (+ the
»Mice in his wallet)
»He asks rightly how are our experiences and what we have done
»Have - not according to what he should do.

Right, and that's why I'm going to write what I would do today if I had the choice again.
1. A middle class repeater (Sauer 202, Heym, Mauser03, etc.) in a common (I don't like writing universal) caliber like 7x57, 7x64. 8x57IS, .308, 30-06. You can use it for everything and at least last a hunter's life.
2. If there is the possibility of a driven hunt, a suitable, a really suitable shotgun, of course with soft iron fire.
This means that all possible upcoming hunting opportunities are covered for the time being.
Desires come soon enough, but your experiences have also grown bigger hopefully, so that you can better assess what additional you need.
servus

Sir Henry

10.05.2007,
7:00 p.m.

@ marmot

what weapon does a young hunter need

according to the motto: I would like to buy a new car, what do you drive?

very clear: green-all-wheel-ahk

Boar

10.05.2007,
9:21 pm

@ marmot

what weapon does a young hunter need

»Hello everyone!
» »
»» I have very easily with a simple repeater in .222 Rem
»» Started for fox and deer and a shotgun for the driven hunt.
“Isn't the worst beginner's solution in my opinion.
»
» »
»» PS. it shouldn't be whole after passing the hunter test like cat food
" at the
"Beginning writes at least halfway knowing what he needs now, there
" also
»» Only he knows and can estimate his hunting possibilities? (+ the
»» Mice in his wallet)
»» He asks rightly how are our experiences and what we have done
»» Have - not according to what to do.
»
“Right, and that's why I'm going to write what I would do today if
“I would have the choice again.
»1. A middle class repeater (Sauer 202, Heym, Mauser03, etc.) in
»A common (I don't like to write universal) caliber like 7x57,
»7x64. 8x57IS, .308, 30-06. You can use it for everything and hold it
“At least a hunter's life.
“2.If there is an opportunity for a driven hunt, a suitable one
“Really suitable shotgun, of course with soft iron fire.
“This means that all hunting opportunities that might come up are now covered.
“Desires come soon enough, but your experiences are
»Then also got bigger hopefully so that you can better assess
»Can do whatever else you need.
»Servus

Hey marmot!

That's exactly what I meant when I wrote my post.
Always makes more sense than if 2-3 specialists get into the wool who now has the most practical and best weapon equipment. In the end, pretty much everything is included and that doesn't get Gordon a meter further. For once, let's bridle the horse in a different way than what has been practiced up to now. I think it will be quite useful.

For example, I went on the first driven hunt with a borrowed bolt-action rifle. Why buy an extra rifle for a driven hunt every year? And I didn't get the shot either.
Possibly there is also a triplet to inherit from some corner or to buy cheaply. Since many of them think they have a 7X57 caliber today, they are underpowered and will be thrown out soon. Would also be a viable option. Ultimately, it will also be decisive which hunting opportunity he gets.

That's how I see it now!

Greetings and WmH
from the boar

Boar

11.05.2007,
8:49 a.m.

@ Sir Henry

what weapon does a young hunter need

»According to the motto: I would like to buy a new car, what do you drive?
»Then so?
»
" clearly: green-all-wheel-ahk

Hey sir Henry

That's exactly what I have

Golf Variant TDI "Syncro" (consumption approx. 6 ltr Diesel / 100km)

With an annual mileage of 30,000, I drive maybe 1000 km in the Feldmark. (could have a little more ground clearance)

Greetings Keiler

sirgordon

16.05.2007,
11:03 a.m.

@ Boar

what weapon does a young hunter need

thanks for the very diverse recommendations.
But in the end I got further.

weapon is borrowed until further notice, i go with mauser stutzen 7x54
on the hunt. think that's enough for now.
shotgun was bought (also because of the dog) and now I hope to
a lot of goodwill and luck in search of the dog.

best thanks and keep it up.

ps. I should now ask which glass I need for the seat.
It will surely get better here.

django

16.05.2007,
1:48 pm

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

»
»Ps. I should now ask which glass I need for the seat.
“I'm sure it will get better here.

Binoculars are the most important item of equipment for a hide hunter!
Or do you always want to cover your surroundings with the bulky club under the telescopic sight?

Pulpit window left, front, right, ...

Or are you one of them too; Oh buck! Boom!

tiger

08.11.2007,
2:03 p.m.

@ Boar

what weapon does a young hunter need

There is another even more "universal" caliber than 8x57IS, namely the best and most universal of all: 8x64S !!!!!!!
it has only slightly more recoil than the 8x57IS but has the reserves that many people sometimes miss in the 8x57IS, without coming across as brutal like an 8x68S.

Billy

08.11.2007,
2:14 pm

@ Tiger

what weapon does a young hunter need

.

Alessandro

08.11.2007,
2:48 pm

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello,

these:


Wmh!

Alex

Mountain hunter

08.11.2007,
2:50 pm

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

The question cannot be asked like that ...

If you go hunting in the mountains then you will hardly need a treble, if you go in an area with a lot of small game you will hardly buy a repeater ...

I knew what I want and need long before I finished the exam.

Jaegermeister

08.11.2007,
3:11 pm

@ Tiger

what weapon does a young hunter need

Could it be that you sneak in here to advertise this caliber?
Definitely looks like it monemtan.

sirgordon

08.11.2007,
3:24 pm

@ Alessandro

what weapon does a young hunter need

" Hello,
»
" these:
»
»
»Wmh!
»
" Alex
cia alex,
thought in spagettania you also have better weapons
thank you but everything is already well resolved:
in the cupboard:
bbf blaser 20/76 // 30.06
rifle 7 x 64
bf
p99
and each with a good look.
and route has already been made.



so thanks to all the others, but really great if you have a discussion basis.

waihai

Alessandro

08.11.2007,
3:53 p.m.

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

" " Hello,
» »
" " these:
» »
» »
»» Wmh!
» »
" " Alex
»Cia alex,
»Thought in spagettania you also have better weapons
»Thank you, but everything is already well resolved:
" in the cupboard:
»Bbf blaser 20/76 // 30.06
»Rifle 7 x 64
»Bf
»P99
»And each with a good look.
»And a stretch has already been made.
»
»
Hello Sirgordon,
Please don't be offended! I just want to play a little!
And I only answered you like this because your question was made in May, and I thought you had the right answers now.
About sockets in Germany you have a lot of people that can help you if you have problems with shotguns ... I'm here for you!
Waidmmansheil!
Alessandro

p.s. Gun in picture was my gun no. 1 !

tiger

08.11.2007,
4:41 pm

@ Billy

what weapon does a young hunter need

»» There is another even more "universal" caliber than 8x57IS,
»Namely
»» The best and most universal of all: 8x64S !!!!!!!
»» It has only slightly more recoil than the 8x57IS but it has
“Reserves
»» Which many people sometimes miss with the 8x57IS, without being like an 8x68S
»» To be brutal.
»
»... yes, no, eat of course: and the large selection of loads first, still
»More diverse than with the 8x68S!
»
»And the whole thing adjusted to the question of what a young hunter needs: LOL,
»Truly a good tip. Do you still have a "sweetheart" in your closet?
»
“Billy


No, but I'll get my hunting license soon, I'm out about 10 times a year, raised hide and driven hunt as a driver ....
Many love the 8x57IS but now and then also beg for a little more power and shy away from the "brutal" 8x68S, which also shoots itself with a muzzle brake like a .308. The choice of loads is indeed very poor, but there is room for improvement, especially for reloaders.

The hunting grounds in which I am allowed to hunt are each around 700 hectares and have everything from hoofed game (fallow deer, roe deer, red deer) to 160kg boar. And I will buy such a "sweetheart" as you call it, without ifs or buts, I've already shot it.
A Zeiss is coming
Victory Varipoint 1.1-4x24 ™
for driven hunt on it
and a
Zeiss
Victory Diavari 3-12x56 LA T *, for standing on sows.
thus perfectly equipped for everything from deer to "water buffalo" (which does not occur in our latitudes)
the whole thing with tolerable recoil and very good effect up to about 200m


Greetings to all tigers

Chamois hunter

08.11.2007,
4:58 pm

@ Tiger

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello Tiger,

»Thus perfectly equipped for everything from deer to" water buffalo "(the one in
»Does not occur in our latitudes)
»The whole thing with tolerable recoil and very good effect up to approx. 200m

It all sounds very heavy to Lutz Möller.



Waidmannsheil Michl

marmot

08.11.2007,
5:05 pm

@ Tiger

what weapon does a young hunter need

Hello Tiger!
It's nice that you have dreams, it's okay too. , you have to live on something.
But first things first. Get your hunting license. Then first see which weapon in which caliber fits you.
Compared to the 8x57IS, the 8x64IS has only marginally more power - less than 10% on average. I don't know whether the disadvantage of having fewer laboratories, more expensive ammunition and more expensive rifles is worthwhile.
But you still have time and can still think about it carefully.

Maximus

08.11.2007,
5:20 pm

@ marmot

what weapon does a young hunter need

“Hello Tiger!
“It's nice that you have dreams, it's okay too. , you have to live on something.
“But let's take it one after the other. Get your hunting license. Then look first
»Times, which weapon in which caliber fits you.
»Compared to the 8x57IS, the 8x64IS has only marginally more power -
»Less than 10% on average. Whether for the disadvantage, fewer laboratories, more expensive
“Ammunition, a more expensive rifle is worth it, I don't know.
“But you still have time, and you can still think about it carefully.

If then 8 x75 RS

Maximus

justus

08.11.2007,
7:21 pm

@ Cat food

what weapon does a young hunter need

“What do you learn in the hunting courses?
“Anyone who asks about the training (!) For a hunting license needs mine
»Don't know anything at first ........

I absolutely have to agree with you! The form (spelling, etc.) and type of question alone make me a bit puzzled!

greetings

justus

And then it starts again, the endless caliber, weapon and ZF discussion!

Fetzenjoe

08.11.2007,
8:53 pm

@ justus

what weapon does a young hunter need

» I absolutely have to agree with you! The form alone
»(Spelling etc.) and the nature of the question make me something
" suspicious!
»
" Greetings
»
»Justus


Oha ... again on an educational trip and a smart coffee trip Nobody?


@
What is this age-old thread warm-up supposed to do?

Nobody who can no longer see is clear ... but the rest?

Young hunters

08.11.2007,
9:30 p.m.

@ sirgordon

what weapon does a young hunter need

hey

get yourself a repeater;) caliber: 7x64,30-06,7x57 or 8x57is!
Rifle scope: zeiss, schmidt and bender! 3-12X56 very best;)!
Glass: zeiss, swrz, steiner!
You have to invest in a clear bit of coal for something sensible that will last a lifetime

sirgordon