Is it worth it to be a social worker

Is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?

knock  📅 09.09.2013 22:24:24
Is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
I will finish my bachelor's degree in social work in February and then do a recognition year. I wonder, of course, what comes after that?
Does a master's in this area make sense at all? I will certainly continue to educate myself here, but does it bring me anything financially?
As far as I know, the salary for a social worker is aligned with the public service see: http://www.behaveblog.de/?p=279 (scroll down a little, then comes a salary table). How does a possible master's effect here?
For example, I find the master's degree in "Criminology and Police Science" at the Ruhr University in Bochum very appealing: http://www.makrim.de/.
Here is now under study offer -> degree and professional fields that I then in areas such as "the (public and private) social services (including the social services of the judiciary), public administration (police, penal system, etc.) and the judiciary (Probation assistance, courts), but also in the education and training sector and in the school sector. In the areas of police, prison, probation and judicial assistance ... "can work.

Now I ask myself why do a master’s degree and invest € 3.5k if I get into these areas with a bachelor’s degree?
I am very ambitious when it comes to my professional future and would like to achieve something and also like to take on responsibility. The above Masters is just one option that I may consider. If anyone has any tips and suggestions, possibly a postgraduate course or another interesting master’s degree, just let me know, I would be very grateful for any idea.

Kind regards.
yowz  📅 09.09.2013 23:32:26
Re: is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
A master’s degree in social work is rarely worthwhile for financial reasons alone. Most of the existing positions in social affairs are intended for Bachelor / Diplom (FH) graduates. The master’s degree has not really arrived here and will not initially establish itself as a standard qualification, as there is simply not enough money.

As a rule, a master is not required for management positions either, but it can be quite helpful in some cases. However, it is usually not a prerequisite, professional experience and personal skills are weighted higher here.

However, the benefits of a master also depend on the positions sought. It can be rewarded for a management position, for positions in social or youth welfare planning (mostly categorization in the higher service, sound statistical knowledge necessary), research and teaching, self-employment (e.g. as an evaluator, counseling, etc.) and some rare niche positions (mostly public service). I'm only talking about financial returns.

Regarding the master’s "criminology": The professional fields listed there can be reached ALL without a master’s degree. And as a rule, you will not get better pay with this master’s degree either.

In my opinion, it is advisable to start your profession, work there for a few years and then, if necessary, do a specialized master’s degree, if you can see any advancement opportunities there for which a master’s degree would be helpful.

But if you have a professional interest in a master’s degree, then do it. Maybe it will be useful to you at some point.
Re: is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
Hi,
so I can only speak of myself. In my opinion, a master's degree in social work is definitely not worthwhile. That's why I'm starting my Master in Education in October. I am aiming for a job in adult education, further training or in a larger company in human resources. A master’s degree is useful for these areas. I also know someone who works with a Masters in EWS in a middle school and is paid accordingly. There are quite a few masters that are not called "social work", but that you can do with your bachelor's degree. E.g. pedagogy, educational sciences, educational research, educational management, adult education and and and.

Good luck
Re: is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
Regarding the criminology master, it should be said that it is actually a master’s degree for master’s graduates.

On the linked page this is not necessarily to be seen, but if you take a look at the study and examination regulations it says:

Quote (1) Admission to the master’s course requires
a. the successful completion of a university degree in
Scope of at least 240 CP in the subjects of law, psychology, sociology or other relevant (technical) university courses from Germany and abroad;

There are probably opportunities to catch up on CP, but depending on the bachelor's degree, this might be a lot of additional work.

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I didn't go crazy ... I've always been like this !!!
knock  📅 10.09.2013 19:48:47
Re: is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
@ Erytheya, yes that's right, my Bachelor will only have 180 credits Supposedly, however, it is possible there to make up for the missing credits through seminars. At least that's what I was told.


yowz wrote:
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> However, the usefulness of a master also depends
> from the desired positions. May be worthwhile
> He is looking for a management position, for
> Positions in social and youth welfare planning
> (mostly categorization in the higher service,
> well-founded statistical knowledge required),
> Research and teaching, self-employment (e.g. as
> Evaluator, counseling, etc.) and some rare ones
> Niche positions (mostly public service).
> I'm only talking about the financial return.


Wow, first of all thank you very much for your long text, it helped me a lot. I've also heard that you can go into research after completing a master’s degree. Will inform me about it.


@Susi, thank you very much. I'll take a look at the masters you mentioned
Re: is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
knock wrote:
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> @ Erytheya, yes that's right, my bachelor will only be
> Have 180 credits But supposedly it is
> possible there the missing credits through seminars
> catch up. At least that's what I was told.


Maybe, but that would mean an additional 60 credits in 3 to 4 semesters for you.
There should be no boredom at least guaranteed.

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I didn't go crazy ... I've always been like this !!!
Zulu  📅 11.09.2013 08:29:40
Re: is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
A master’s degree in social work is definitely financially viable.
The:
With a master’s degree, you have the opportunity to work in positions that people from the university previously held (i.e. psychologists or teachers).
In practice this means:
You have a master’s degree and are applying to a counseling center. You can work on the job of the psychologist.
Do the master!
Gunwald  📅 15.09.2013 06:19:54
Re: is it worth taking a master's degree in social work?
Hello knock !!!

I also got a diploma (equal to the BA) in social pedagogy / work and then, similar to your idea, studied international criminology in HH. As early as my diploma, I focused on areas related to criminology, as well as gained a lot of practical experience + recognition year in the areas you mentioned. I found the crime fiction course really interesting and I imagined some of it ... good that you are really smarter !!!!!! An MA in criminology or Police science really brings you in very few cases. With me there is even the case that during my studies a semester abroad was offered, which I did, and then there were administrative problems and the professors responsible then only rejected me and did not help me with the recognition (although it can be proven that I did everything had !!! - It was like a bad movie !!! - I had so many problems with it, I felt like I was in "alone against the Mafia". I also had a severely discriminatory experience because of my illness). I am now missing over 1 year in my studies, and I also have major gaps in my CV due to a chronic illness. - In HH there is almost no support, the course was the worst thing that has happened to me so far (I'm older and I know what I'm talking about). Since then I have felt that I really don't know what to do next in life, because my situation is worse than ever before (I studied on the second educational path, with a secondary school diploma, an apprenticeship and the full program!).
Sorry, I had to digress a bit!

I think that a master’s degree, whether in the field of criminology or possibly also in social work / pedagogy, is in most cases thrown away time (in my case, it’s a waste of money and nerves!). It looks like sooner or later this will lead to the ruin of the master’s courses and that of the bachelor’s / diploma in social pedagogy anyway.
Sooner or later, many will have an MA in these areas, but the salaries will not rise, since it is no longer exclusive and as far as I know, there are no positions with an A13 salary (so-called "management positions") as social workers. or "higher service") ... (so much too yowz that the employee can be helpful in some cases, he / she is absolutely right!)

For positions in the higher service in the police, etc. one will probably use lawyers with a focus on criminology, because they are at least familiar with the relevant laws! For management positions in the police, a master’s degree in "Public Administration - Police Management" is offered at the DHPol Münster-Hiltrup.

In an article in the Hamburger Abendblatt, the opinion of the professor in charge of the institute with regard to studying criminology was printed as follows: "In order to work as a probation officer, it is not enough in England, Australia and the USA - unlike in Germany - to study social pedagogy Because that is a good basis for the profession, but does not yet qualify for dealing with prisoners "(http://www.abendblatt.de/ratgeber/wissen/article1335874/Das-Verbrechen-im-Hoersaal.html)
- Means in the episode "People, buy the master's degree in criminology in order to" qualify you better "(or, so that we can be of use for something ..), and in the coming years nobody will be hired only as a social pedagogue in the area of ​​criminal assistance / criminal justice .. It also says that so many people got great jobs, I got to know more people who weren't like that ... (someone previously studied sociology and now wants to do a BA in social work to do something at all Obtain!!!).

Erytheya wrote that you can also go into research with the master’s degree. I cannot say that for criminology in connection with social work (!), if you have had statistics continuously since the first semester in the BA, then maybe, but not otherwise. Just keep in mind that most of the research is more quantitative in nature. I only had some statistics in my master’s degree, when the lecturer told me that I would not get a job later (although so far I have an average of 2). We also programmed with programs that are not used in most places! Do SPSS and statistics courses now if you want to do research !!! If you only had that in your Masters, anyone with a BA in Sociology or Psychology is more likely to get the job! - However, I have no idea how something like this works out with an MA in social work. I think that in these areas you still have a lot of competition from sociologists and psychologists.
(You could also apply to the "police" [LKA or BKA] for a "temporary position" as a "research assistant" - count on at least 800 applicants from all areas of humanities for 1 position - I've already been there! - How many tenders are there per year, you can see the "odds" that the MA brings !!!).

Although I wrote above about the student I know who, out of hopelessness, has another BA in Soz. Want to work, I have already heard from 3 Studies that they are already at least part-time in the areas of criminal assistance or T.O.A / probation assistance .. = also a junk for the BA / Dipl. Social work, because I didn't need to do a degree plus year of recognition, etc., so that (almost) everyone with a similar education can start ...

I think the idea of ​​Susi2304 is good, because with an MA in pedagogy, or education and social work, you could possibly also find work in large companies in the private sector, etc. But in the end it is also like the MA in Bochum or Hamburg, something " russian roulette ".., only this can have a positive effect .. ;-) You have to develop a good idea ...